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 Subject:  Re: Gore and modellingList thread.  
  
 Date:  Aug 1, 2006
 From:  Andrew Herbert 
Hi.

"I was under the impression that an unstated rule among the modelling community was the avoidance of gore in dioramas..."

That's a pretty common guideline. I don't know why. I think it's because most people don't want to be reminded of why guns, tanks etc exist.

I think the examples you give are all things that would cause a hue and cry, just like the items we're discussing now. Do you see this item being accepted more easily than the shoe-shine figure presented by Verlinden?

I don't see "easy acceptance of a diorama of Nazis executing Jews..."! This whole thread seems to suggest that there are a lot of issues being raised, none of them condoning the depicted actions, and many don't condone the depiction of the actions!!

There are not many other dioramas or vignettes out there depicting such a scene. There was a similar reaction to the Omaha beach diorama posted here some months ago. People got really upset at that because there was blood shown... It's not the same thing, but there was quite a reaction to a 'realistic' depiction of war's horror.

I'm not sure I'd ever want to make a vignette or diorama like the one under discussion, but I don't think its existence means that people are more ready to depict the execution of Jews rather than others. In Western society there is more exposure to the Holocaust rather than many other events of horror. There have been many genocides. Do I want to see a vignette/dio of each and every one? No.
Do I think it should not be shown? No.
If you made a dio of a lynching, would I think you're a racist? No.

You see this work as tasteless. I'm not sure if that's the case, but I do think it interesting how different folks interpret the scene. In that case, it is some kind of art/statement.

Andy
 
Thread Listing 
  Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Paul A. Owen - Jul 31, 2006
. . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Kevin A. Moore - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . in the Gallery- in the gutter - Christopher benjamin - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . . . . Re: in the Gallery- in the gutter - Rick Snaauw - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: in the Gallery- in the gutter-Rick - Mike Bedard - Jul 31, 2006
. . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - mike Tittel - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Paul A. Owen - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Mike Tittel - Jul 31, 2006
. . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Christopher R. Evans - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . Debatable Issue - Mike Tittel - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . . . . Re: Debatable Issue - michael - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Debatable Issue - Mike Tittel - Jul 31, 2006
. . . Very appropriate - michael - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Very appropriate - well said - Danny Egan - Aug 1, 2006
. . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Brian Bocchino - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - david budd - Jul 31, 2006
. . . How the East views the Holocaust? - Dominic Miele - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . Re: How the East views the Holocaust? - Roderick Lenz - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . . . . Re: How the East views the Holocaust? - david budd - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . Re: How the East views the Holocaust? - Phil Choi - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . . . . Asian Holocaust - Dominic Miele - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . Right and Wrong... - Andrew Herbert - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Gore and modelling - Dominic Miele - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Gore and modelling - Alex Hill - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Gore and modelling - Andrew Herbert - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Verlinden Shoe-shine Dio - Dominic Miele - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Verlinden Shoe-shine Dio - Andrew Herbert - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Here's the direct link to the Verlinden thing - Andrew Herbert - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . That is dumb - Dominic Miele - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: That is dumb - Brian Bocchino - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . What is the Artist's Intention? - Tim Streeter - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Point taken - Dominic Miele - Aug 2, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Point taken - Tim Streeter - Aug 2, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Point taken - Dominic Miele - Aug 4, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Gore and modelling-Dominic - Mike Bedard - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . How do you know they're Jews? - Kevin Johnson - Aug 9, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Did you even look at the dio closely? - R.C. Hill - Aug 9, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Isn't that strange. - Kevin Johnson - Aug 14, 2006
. . . ...what will be will be... - Glenn Bartolotti - Jul 31, 2006
. . . Healthy - Mike Tittel - Jul 31, 2006
. . . For Comparison [IMG] - Tim Streeter - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . Re: For Comparison - david budd - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . Re: For Comparison - Mike Tittel - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . Apples and Oranges - Dominic Miele - Aug 1, 2006
. . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery [IMG] - Tim Streeter - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Scott Taylor - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery-Tim - Mike Bedard - Jul 31, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Andrew Herbert - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . Re: Picasso's "Guernica" - Paul A. Owen - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Picasso's "Guernica" - Andrew Herbert - Aug 1, 2006
. . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - rajendra - Jul 31, 2006
. . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Jerry Plettenberg - Jul 31, 2006
. . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Dave Clark - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Roy Chow - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Dave Clark - Aug 1, 2006
. . . Same discussion has been heard before - Jari Lievonen - Aug 1, 2006
. . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - John Murcutt - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - rob galassi - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - jan slany - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Alexandre - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Kevin Moore - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Gary Cooper - Aug 1, 2006
. . . Almost every Nation has Blood on their Fingers! - Frank Forster - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Almost every Nation has Blood on their Fingers! - Sean Lynch - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . Re: Almost every Nation has Blood on their Fingers! - Frank Forster - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Almost every Nation has Blood on their Fingers! - Alex Hill - Aug 1, 2006
. . . I'm Curious.... - Tim Streeter - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . Too right... - Andrew Herbert - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . Re: I'm Curious.... - Mike Tittel - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . Re: I'm Curious.... - Alex Hill - Aug 1, 2006
. . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Shawn Godwin - Aug 1, 2006
. . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Mark Rethoret - Aug 1, 2006
. . . Reaching for an idea.... - Kip Rudge - Aug 1, 2006
. . . Re: Interesting contrast between threads - Brian Bocchino - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast between threads - Andrew Herbert - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast between threads - Alex Borsboom - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast between threads - Andrew Herbert - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . If it was a Rape scene what would be the reaction? - Michael Wawrow - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . Re: If it was a Rape scene what would be the reaction? - Alex Hill - Aug 1, 2006
. . . Hypocrisy! - Steve - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Hypocrisy! - R.C. Hill - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . Re: Hypocrisy! - Steve - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . A rose by any other ................. - Steve Campbell - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Hi Steve - Paul A. Owen - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Hi Steve - Steve - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Hi Steve - Paul A. Owen - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Look at the address!! - Andrew Herbert - Aug 2, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Hypocrisy! - R.C. Hill - Aug 2, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Hypocrisy! - Brian Bocchino - Aug 2, 2006
. . . . . . . . . Re: Hypocrisy! - Steve - Aug 2, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Hypocrisy! - Brian Bocchino - Aug 2, 2006
. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Hypocrisy! - Frank Forster - Aug 2, 2006
. . . Re: Oh boy... - Paul A. Owen - Aug 1, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Oh boy... - Andrew Herbert - Aug 2, 2006
. . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Charles Reading - Aug 10, 2006
. . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Mark Austen - Aug 15, 2006
. . . . . . . . . Re: Interesting contrast .. in the Gallery - Philippe - Aug 15, 2006
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