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| Subject: | Re: My US$0.02, before inflation.. |  |
| Date: | Jul 20, 2002 |
| From: | Paul Roberts | |
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>Judges cannot intimately know every subject, but the artistic finish/muddy=good bias pendulumn has swung too far.
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>Don't get me started on rusty, scratched-up, faded-paint late war German armor..
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As an Assistant Chief Judge (ACJ) at several AMPS Nats, I consistently
have this discussion with several of the ACJs and other friends. We do
this, mind you, away from the judging, usually after several ales at
Grumpy's. There are builder types (me) and artist types and as ACJs we
try, if we know the teams at all, to place a good mix at any one table.
Through the certification process (started this year) we are also trying
to even out the judging standards across a pool of experienced and
leader-type team captains, whose job it is to guide and interpret the
criteria for the teams as they work. Of course, the shift ACJs are also
there to help answer questions.
However, all that effort aside, it still is a task judged by people.
People have biases or inclinations, If you could have heard the
discussions in the judging pit during the "Best-of" judging, you would
have realized that there are many people on each side of that
builder/artist pendulum. Points were made, merits discussed,
inadequacies revealed, and, in the end, decisions were made by vote with
no-one holding more sway than another. I too have been disappointed
ocassionally by the artist versus builder swing. But, you know, in the
end, its not about the exact number of points, for the system can't be
accurate to more than + or - 3 points on a repeated basis. Submit the
model to another team and you might have gotten a bronze or a gold.
Submit it to the same team on a different day and you still might get a
bronze or gold. Its in illustrating a modelers consistent pattern of
performance that the AMSP system shines and, as a way for the modeler to
try and judge his level of ability against the general pool of modelers,
I can't think of a better system. As a determination of exactly how good
a particular model is, well, its pretty good, but no judgemental system
can ever be perfect, if only because no recognised, exact and complete
standard of performace exists to compare it against.
I know we would wlecome you to the judging teams. There is truely no
better way to see mdels than to judge them at AMPS. And it wouldn't hurt
to have another "builder" in the mix either...
=:-)
Paul
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Paul Roberts
tankmodeler@rogers.com
Scale Tech Distributing
Scale Model Builders
http://members.rogers.com/tankmodeler/ |
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 | Where is the Good? - Pete Gay - Jul 19, 2002 |
| . . . Re: Where is the Good? - Ed Kusiak - Jul 18, 2002 |
| . . . Re: Where is the Good? - Steve Frost - Jul 18, 2002 |
| . . . Re: Where is the Good? - Kurt Laughlin - Jul 19, 2002 |
| . . . . . . My US$0.02, before inflation.. - Mike D - Jul 20, 2002 |
| . . . . . . . . . Re: My US$0.02, before inflation.. - Paul Roberts - Jul 20, 2002 |
| . . . Perspective and Equilibrium - Tim Streeter - Jul 19, 2002 |
| . . . . . . Re: Perspective and Equilibrium - Warrink - Jul 19, 2002 |
| . . . . . . Re: Perspective and Equilibrium - Ken Schofield - Jul 21, 2002 |
| . . . . . . . . . Re: Perspective and Equilibrium - Saul Garcia - Jul 21, 2002 |
| . . . . . . . . . Re: Perspective and Equilibrium - Andy Herbert - Jul 21, 2002 |
| . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Perspective and Equilibrium - Andy Herbert - Jul 21, 2002 |
| . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Perspective and Equilibrium - Paul Roberts - Jul 22, 2002 |
| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Perspective and Equilibrium - Andy Herbert - Jul 22, 2002 |
| . . . . . . . . . Re: Perspective and Equilibrium - Paul Roberts - Jul 22, 2002 |
| . . . Sorry - Peter Gay - Jul 19, 2002 |
| . . . . . . Re: Sorry - Andy Herbert - Jul 19, 2002 |
| . . . . . . Re: Sorry - Tim Streeter - Jul 19, 2002 |
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